Privacy Debate
05-24-2018, 11:01 PM
> What are your thoughts of how it rates on the security and privacy front?
It's not really ideal, especially with the way we're using it (passing links around). You could greatly increase privacy by putting a password on the room at creation, but you'd have to share the password separately from the room link, which makes it a chicken-and-egg problem.
Alternatively, Jitsi has a desktop client, but I haven't checked it out yet.
> I think the history of linking we've done to outright illegal downloads and sharing of games is plenty more concerning than any personal details we've discussed.
1. We've already agreed that it's a valid argument to increase privacy regardless of any linking done in the past.
2. That depends on your threat model. If copyright trolls were the only party that would possibly spy on you, then sure. Otherwise, sharing a narrow slice of your interests is much less harmful than sharing widely, like what naturally happens on Riot/Discord.
> But it's also true that I drive a car every day to work because it's convenient despite the notorious risks. If anything I almost value my ease of communication with my friends and family over transportation and it makes sense that I would take on some level of risk to sustain that easy connection.
There's a fundamental difference when it comes to data: you can choose to stop driving your car at any time if you decide that public transportation has become more convenient/safer. You cannot choose to delete your data at any time. Once you give it up, you no longer have the option to judge that trade-off; the organization chooses for you.
> But there's really no conclusion if someone values privacy at the cost of convenience and community.
"This is too much to worry about! It's hypocritical to talk about privacy unless you live in a cave."
Privacy and community are clearly a porque no los dos; that's why we're here today.
Convenience is also rapidly becoming easier to achieve (see the Whatsapp example above). Also, like with the movement for HTTPS, pushing the needle towards privacy benefits everyone.
It's not really ideal, especially with the way we're using it (passing links around). You could greatly increase privacy by putting a password on the room at creation, but you'd have to share the password separately from the room link, which makes it a chicken-and-egg problem.
Alternatively, Jitsi has a desktop client, but I haven't checked it out yet.
> I think the history of linking we've done to outright illegal downloads and sharing of games is plenty more concerning than any personal details we've discussed.
1. We've already agreed that it's a valid argument to increase privacy regardless of any linking done in the past.
2. That depends on your threat model. If copyright trolls were the only party that would possibly spy on you, then sure. Otherwise, sharing a narrow slice of your interests is much less harmful than sharing widely, like what naturally happens on Riot/Discord.
> But it's also true that I drive a car every day to work because it's convenient despite the notorious risks. If anything I almost value my ease of communication with my friends and family over transportation and it makes sense that I would take on some level of risk to sustain that easy connection.
There's a fundamental difference when it comes to data: you can choose to stop driving your car at any time if you decide that public transportation has become more convenient/safer. You cannot choose to delete your data at any time. Once you give it up, you no longer have the option to judge that trade-off; the organization chooses for you.
> But there's really no conclusion if someone values privacy at the cost of convenience and community.
"This is too much to worry about! It's hypocritical to talk about privacy unless you live in a cave."
Privacy and community are clearly a porque no los dos; that's why we're here today.
Convenience is also rapidly becoming easier to achieve (see the Whatsapp example above). Also, like with the movement for HTTPS, pushing the needle towards privacy benefits everyone.
